Residents Parking - St Annes School Area (Page 1 of 5)

True, but it stil sounds like a cash generation scheme to me!

The issue was highlighted at the Royton Forum on monday.
Apparantly, local residents have been complaining about sports fans and hospital staff/visitors parking in their streets.

Maybe season 10/11 will solve that except for hospy and CPF parkers?

As someone who works in a hospital that's surrounded by residents only parking, it drives me mad!
Where exactly would the councils like us to park then?  The staff car park is full, there's one pay car park where I work (always full when late shifts start and costs £5 a day).  I can't get to the hospital by public transport, just isn't physically possible.  So I don't understand why I can't park on a side street where I'm not blocking anyone in.

Of course you can't block people's drives, but they don't own the bit of road that runs outside their house, so why can't people park on that?
There are people parked in front of my house most of the time, but as long as they don't block my drive, why would it bother me?  (OK, it bothers me slightly because it makes it a bit trickier to reverse out of my drive, but it's not the end of the world).

Just had an impromptu meeting with a few neighbours to discuss this. There are many unanswered questions and we will be putting these to Steve Palk. It is quite ridiculous to ask residents for opinions without supplying the relevant information. These questions will be:

*  what will be the actual cost?
*  will this be a one off or annual fee?
*  how will this money be used?
*  why is the council not using the money set aside by B+Q for local improvements?
*  will the permit be specificically for the resident's car (ie for a specific registration number)?
*  if so will a new one be needed if a new car is purchased?
*  when will it apply (weekends,bank holidays, etc)?
*  Can you clarify your description of why an 'old'style scheme has not been considered, bearing in mind that the proposed scheme has 'bays' also and the number of driveways remains the same?
*  Can you explain why the schemes discussed with residents by Councillor Steve Bashforth nearly two years ago based on visitor permits (as used around Eastlands stadium), have not been considered?
*  Will there be any other discussions/consultation?
*  On what basis will the decision be made - is this a democratic/majority based vote?
*  Why have you not made the above information available to residents so that they can make an informed decision?

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Last edited by Rebel (25.Jul.09 18:57:30)

Penguin and any other interested parties.

I have had a reply from Steve Palk in response to the questions raised in post 9. I think you can guess my reply to this consultation.

Thanks for your e-mail of the 25 July 2009

There has been no charge set for the cost of permit. I would anticipate that it will be a annual charge to cover administration perhaps in the order £20.

We are intending to use the B&Q Section 106 money to introduce the scheme to pay for consultations, signs, advertise and make the Traffic Regulation Orders,  etc. However the money will not last indefinitely and hence a permit change will be applicable. Yes, the permit will relate to a specific car and there will  most probably a charge if a new car is to be used within the scheme.

The consultation is to determine when residents consider there is a problem. Hopefully would we wish to tailor the order to these demands but there may be issues of clarity of signs if many variations are suggested. Paragraph 6 says there will be no road markings in the new type schemes this means bays will not be marked out. The old style scheme with bays has not been considered for the reason given in paragraph 5.

I have no knowledge of the previous scheme you refer to but Oldham have never used visitor permits as they get into the hands of the people we are trying to deter from parking.

The intention is to assess the consultation result and draw up more formal proposals to submit to the Department for Transport. Hopefully, if these proposals are acceptable we would go through the processes of making a Traffic Regulation Order. This would have to be advertised for objections and at that stage we would send a copy of the legal notice and explanatory information to all households.

The Council's approved procedure for residents parking schemes requires 50% + 1 of the consulted residents to be in favour.

I am of the opinion that the information that I have included in this e-mail is not vital to making an informed decision. Many of the replies we have received are not concerned where the finance for the scheme is coming from,  previous statements about possible schemes or the necessary bureaucratic processes involved. A resident with a driveway could possibly be in favour of restrictions and could find that they did not require a permit. This could mean that permit costs would have a diminished importance to that resident.

However, I trust that now armed with this information you will be able to considered  your response.

Regards

Steve Palk
Section Manager - Traffic
The Unity Partnership
0161 770 4328
steve.palk@unitypartnership.com

Any news Penguin? I doubt it was supported down here.

I'd like to leaflet the St Anne's area on this subject and encourage the neighbours to pop to the eRoyton forum to air their views. How many leaflets do you think I should print? And which are the main streets I should cover?

I'm guessing 100 should do it and I just do the side streets that run up hill away from St Anne's?

It might have to be tomorrow now actually.
I'm celebrating 2 significant events this evening