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    Council tennants: Spare room? Lose benefit!

CH103

28.Jan.13 09:59:33 | Post #1 |

If you live in a council house and get housing benefit should you lose some of that cash if you have a spare room going begging?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … ancer.html

In this case it's surely worth paying the £56 a month???

My mum is one of council tennants who will have to down size. She lives in the house that I used to live in with her. It's a two bedroom so would do for a small family. The only problem is that she's a carer for my housebound nan who lives 3 doors up from her which was good for my nan!

What do you lot think?


exile

28.Jan.13 10:04:19 | Post #2 |

Where one person is living in a four bedroom family house there must be some support for this, but in your Mums case with just one spare room this is just bullying.
Argue the case and speak to your local councillor and MP.  Does he still do surgeries in the Town Hall ?


Life is too short to argue

CH103

28.Jan.13 10:10:46 | Post #3 |

The house in question is in Bury but i'm sure there will someone she can talk to.

It annoys me that the government insist that my nan is cared for in the community to save money yet charge my mum for the convenience of doing it within walking distance of her own home!

exile

28.Jan.13 10:15:00 | Post #4 |

When we had my ancient relative living here we got involved with social services, I only wanted to know what aids were available to hep us look after her.
They showed no interest in her state of health and launched immediately into what their. Services cost. I just said thanks I will find what I need on the Internet. And we did.


Life is too short to argue

CH103

28.Jan.13 10:27:06 | Post #5 |

Good on you exile, That's what you're best off doing if you can. Sad times.

Clutter

28.Jan.13 10:27:52 | Post #6 |

There are 2, 2 bedroom council houses left on one street that I know of. In one a lady lived on her own after her husband died. She asked to be downsized to a single story because she was also having difficulty with the stairs. I believe she waited 3 years (maybe more)???? Then she died neutral

Next door there are 6 people in exactly the same size, 2 bedroom house. Go figure.

CH103

28.Jan.13 10:29:46 | Post #7 |

It's all backwards Clutter!

wizzenedone

28.Jan.13 11:53:29 | Post #8 |

Maggie changed council housing, granting tenants the right to purchase.
Before that it was a lifestyle choice, buy or rent. Council housing freed tenants from the clutches of Rachman and similar landlords just as the co-op freed shoppers from the vagaries of private shopkeepers with thumbs on scales, stale bread and stones in the potatoes.
Maggie turned Council housing into "Affordable Housing", by reducing the available stock and putting a brake on replacement construction.
We've had a Labour government since Maggie and through a period of affluence to, they don't seem to have done a great deal to prevent the inevitable?


Reformed motorist. Still struggling to kick the habit.

Mags

28.Jan.13 19:37:24 | Post #9 |

I feel sorry for those who have to move when children fly the nest. It is their home not just bricks and mortar.


Age is just a number.

wizzenedone

28.Jan.13 21:18:27 | Post #10 |

Mags wrote:

I feel sorry for those who have to move when children fly the nest. It is their home not just bricks and mortar.

I share your sympathy.
There is the right to buy!
An ex-policeman I know bought his fathers house for him, the ex-policeman was his fathers sole heir. It was admittedly at the height of the Blair housing boom.
I'm not sure how it would affect housing benefit, It could be arranged as a repayable loan.


Reformed motorist. Still struggling to kick the habit.

katboo

28.Jan.13 21:33:55 | Post #11 |

i think this is a shameful policy  yikes 
not everyone can afford to buy
the poor being punished AGAIN
a house is not just a house it is a home ,within a community , not sure how this fits with people feeling part of a community   yikes
this will affect people who are working but on a low income not just those unemployed or sick

Those who brought in this policy have many spare rooms in their houses but that s ok because they are rich   yikes

makes me both sad and angry Get this tory lot out  sad


be yourself..everyone else is taken  !!!

Lucky Jim

28.Jan.13 21:43:38 | Post #12 |

The queen will also have plenty of spare rooms as well as the rest of the company of well offs. It would be outrageous to charge those for spare rooms of course.

katboo

28.Jan.13 21:45:46 | Post #13 |

Lucky Jim wrote:

The queen will also have plenty of spare rooms as well as the rest of the company of well offs. It would be outrageous to charge those for spare rooms of course.


Of course , we seem happy enough to fund that    sad


be yourself..everyone else is taken  !!!

Woody

28.Jan.13 21:47:54 | Post #14 |

If you get this lot out katboo you will get the other tosspots back all this taxation is only trying to get us out of the mess the last lot got us in sat with the front door open for thirteen years. Taking jobs of our own.
And while i dont agree with it we can give the EU close on £40 million a day a fund overseas aid approaching £12 billion a year while persecuting our own no one will change it at least UKIP will get us out of the EU that has to be a move in the right direction to take our country back and be in charge of our own destiny rather than have it dictated by Brussels

soupdragon

28.Jan.13 22:02:53 | Post #15 |

Lucky Jim wrote:

The queen will also have plenty of spare rooms as well as the rest of the company of well offs. It would be outrageous to charge those for spare rooms of course.


We have 2 spare rooms .. and pay for it in terms of council tax


 baaaaa

Lucky Jim

29.Jan.13 07:14:17 | Post #16 |

Mags wrote:

I feel sorry for those who have to move when children fly the nest. It is their home not just bricks and mortar.

Exactly mags these people on benefits have done nothing ileagle so why punish them.some of them might have paid for their council houses many times over in rent before going on benefits. sad

JimW1

29.Jan.13 08:22:54 | Post #17 |

katboo wrote:
Lucky Jim wrote:

The queen will also have plenty of spare rooms as well as the rest of the company of well offs. It would be outrageous to charge those for spare rooms of course.


Of course , we seem happy enough to fund that    sad

Im Not.......... mad


And balanced on the biggest wave.........You race towards an early grave.

JimW1

29.Jan.13 08:24:35 | Post #18 |

Its Quite Simple' its yet another attack on the poor by this Millionaire Cabinet


And balanced on the biggest wave.........You race towards an early grave.

Rebel

29.Jan.13 09:48:39 | Post #19 |

Mags wrote:

I feel sorry for those who have to move when children fly the nest. It is their home not just bricks and mortar.

I agree with that sentiment  wholeheartly .


Rocking Horse needs new stable .

SuperG

29.Jan.13 10:15:18 | Post #20 |

The logic behind it seems good in that it will result in less empty bedrooms. But like Katboo says if it weakens communities then that's no good at all


[citation needed]

Rebel

29.Jan.13 16:10:33 | Post #21 |

It will cost a fortune to run this idea .


Rocking Horse needs new stable .

Lucky Jim

29.Jan.13 16:51:22 | Post #22 |

soupdragon wrote:
Lucky Jim wrote:

The queen will also have plenty of spare rooms as well as the rest of the company of well offs. It would be outrageous to charge those for spare rooms of course.


We have 2 spare rooms .. and pay for it in terms of council tax

Hope you don't mind me asking soup but is it a council house?

soupdragon

29.Jan.13 19:03:15 | Post #23 |

Lucky Jim wrote:
soupdragon wrote:
Lucky Jim wrote:

The queen will also have plenty of spare rooms as well as the rest of the company of well offs. It would be outrageous to charge those for spare rooms of course.


We have 2 spare rooms .. and pay for it in terms of council tax

Hope you don't mind me asking soup but is it a council house?

No, our own.


 baaaaa

Lucky Jim

29.Jan.13 20:13:39 | Post #24 |

soupdragon wrote:
Lucky Jim wrote:
soupdragon wrote:

We have 2 spare rooms .. and pay for it in terms of council tax

Hope you don't mind me asking soup but is it a council house?

No, our own.

People on benefits also pay council tax are you suggesting that they are different from you soup.

soupdragon

29.Jan.13 20:31:49 | Post #25 |

not at all, its exactly the same .... we all have to pay more for larger houses.  If I want to rent a bigger house with an extra room, I'd have to pay more rent. Simple.


 baaaaa

Lucky Jim

29.Jan.13 20:45:01 | Post #26 |

soupdragon wrote:

not at all, its exactly the same .... we all have to pay more for larger houses.  If I want to rent a bigger house with an extra room, I'd have to pay more rent. Simple.

But surely if you lived in a council house for many years which you were allolocated by the council and say it had three bedrooms, why would you be expected to pay more hmm

Mags

29.Jan.13 20:55:56 | Post #27 |

Not all people in council houses are on benefits.My son and his wife live in one and they both work very hard to bring up their family.They are definitely not living in one by choice.


Age is just a number.

Lucky Jim

29.Jan.13 21:12:45 | Post #28 |

Mags wrote:

Not all people in council houses are on benefits.My son and his wife live in one and they both work very hard to bring up their family.They are definitely not living in one by choice.

Nothing wrong with living and being brought up in a council house, my mam and dad had no choice. And I have to say I am proud to have been brought up in one and I would not go back and change one thing.

The Chief

29.Jan.13 21:17:40 | Post #29 |

I'm with you Lucky Jim.

Whilst there was some utter scum on my estate there were also some real decent folk and we all looked out for each other.

There is only 2 of my friends who were not brought up in a council house.


Be happy - You'll live longer

LittleRach

29.Jan.13 21:18:26 | Post #30 |

Lucky Jim wrote:
soupdragon wrote:
Lucky Jim wrote:

Hope you don't mind me asking soup but is it a council house?

No, our own.

People on benefits also pay council tax are you suggesting that they are different from you soup.

Many of them don't though.  Several of my friends get council tax benefit (or whatever it's called) that covers the cost of their council tax.


Though we cannot make our sun stand still, yet we will make him run.

Lucky Jim

29.Jan.13 21:29:07 | Post #31 |

LittleRach wrote:
Lucky Jim wrote:
soupdragon wrote:

No, our own.

People on benefits also pay council tax are you suggesting that they are different from you soup.

Many of them don't though.  Several of my friends get council tax benefit (or whatever it's called) that covers the cost of their council tax.

Rach you are missing the point here like a lot of others. Let me explain if you are on benifits you are entitled to be treated like someone who is not on benefits, your councill tax might be paid by the state but that does not mean you are different to someone who is fortunate to have a job and pays out of their wages. Surely if something happened to you to change your circumstances and you ended up on benefits you would not want to be treated any different roll

Rebel

29.Jan.13 21:30:42 | Post #32 |

I wished I had have been brought up in the council  house my mam and dad moved into , but I had left home by then . They CPoD the old house and they got a three bedroom with great gardens  warm and a nice area , across  from a lovely girl who used to play her music loud and have fun parties across the green  .  wink .


Rocking Horse needs new stable .

The Chief

29.Jan.13 21:42:56 | Post #33 |

Lucky Jim wrote:
LittleRach wrote:
Lucky Jim wrote:

People on benefits also pay council tax are you suggesting that they are different from you soup.

Many of them don't though.  Several of my friends get council tax benefit (or whatever it's called) that covers the cost of their council tax.

Rach you are missing the point here like a lot of others. Let me explain if you are on benifits you are entitled to be treated like someone who is not on benefits, your councill tax might be paid by the state but that does not mean you are different to someone who is fortunate to have a job and pays out of their wages. Surely if something happened to you to change your circumstances and you ended up on benefits you would not want to be treated any different roll

Benefits should be a short term hand up (unless you are disabled or otherwise) not a long term or permanent hand out for some who use it as a lifestyle choice and anyone who believes that this doesn't go on is pretty deluded in my honest and balanced opinion.


Be happy - You'll live longer

LittleRach

29.Jan.13 21:42:58 | Post #34 |

FWIW, I don't think there is much point charging people extra for a spare bedroom.
There are going to be some silly situations where you have some single people in 4 or 5 bedroom houses.  But they are going to be by far the exception.  Most people will be in need of extra space, so I agree with whoever said that its going to cost far more than its going to save to implement this rule.

And I don't think I'm really trying to say that people on benefits are any different.  But just that in this case, they don't always pay council tax.


Though we cannot make our sun stand still, yet we will make him run.

Lucky Jim

29.Jan.13 21:55:08 | Post #35 |

The Chief wrote:
Lucky Jim wrote:
LittleRach wrote:

Many of them don't though.  Several of my friends get council tax benefit (or whatever it's called) that covers the cost of their council tax.

Rach you are missing the point here like a lot of others. Let me explain if you are on benifits you are entitled to be treated like someone who is not on benefits, your councill tax might be paid by the state but that does not mean you are different to someone who is fortunate to have a job and pays out of their wages. Surely if something happened to you to change your circumstances and you ended up on benefits you would not want to be treated any different roll

Benefits should be a short term hand up (unless you are disabled or otherwise) not a long term or permanent hand out for some who use it as a lifestyle choice and anyone who believes that this doesn't go on is pretty deluded in my honest and balanced opinion.

I agree Chief short term you should be on a good standard of living on benefits. You should also get top drawer help to come off them.

katboo

29.Jan.13 22:49:06 | Post #36 |

can i just point out that quite a lot of the people this will affect are working and their income is low enough to qualify for SOME help from housing benefit.This will effect those who are working too


be yourself..everyone else is taken  !!!

katboo

29.Jan.13 22:51:14 | Post #37 |

Rebel wrote:

I wished I had have been brought up in the council  house my mam and dad moved into , but I had left home by then . They CPoD the old house and they got a three bedroom with great gardens  warm and a nice area , across  from a lovely girl who used to play her music loud and have fun parties across the green  .  wink .

I wish you you were there too Reb , it s a very nice area and the music was top   wink     smile ....still is on nice sunny summer days  smile


be yourself..everyone else is taken  !!!

Rebel

30.Jan.13 08:04:14 | Post #38 |

What has 9 homes Meacher got to say about this. I bet all his tenants are not on benefits  or are they .


Rocking Horse needs new stable .

Erin

30.Jan.13 11:58:12 | Post #39 |

I do not think Meacher's tenants' will be in receipt of benefits I bet he will not accept DSS.

The Chief

30.Jan.13 13:04:23 | Post #40 |

Rebel wrote:

What has 9 homes Meacher got to say about this. I bet all his tenants are not on benefits  or are they .


Nine homes??????

Blinkin' champagne socialist


Be happy - You'll live longer

Bungle

30.Jan.13 13:50:03 | Post #41 |

Have you asked him, Rebel? More to the point, have you ever sat in his company and discussed politics and things like that with him?

Rebel

30.Jan.13 16:19:23 | Post #42 |

No . Have you ever sat in his company and asked him why he voted to go to war with a country that was a million miles away from us with a load of farms and poor people . And have you ever asked him how come he has a property portfolio when he wrote a book extolling the moral wrong of this .  He's an hypocrit .


Rocking Horse needs new stable .

Clutter

31.Jan.13 15:50:55 | Post #43 |

Bungle wrote:

Have you asked him, Rebel? More to the point, have you ever sat in his company and discussed politics and things like that with him?

I've never liked him since the 1980's when he imperiously said to me "Do you know who I am?" with a face like a  smacked arse, as I served him in the Library.

The Chief

31.Jan.13 16:15:11 | Post #44 |

Clutter wrote:
Bungle wrote:

Have you asked him, Rebel? More to the point, have you ever sat in his company and discussed politics and things like that with him?

I've never liked him since the 1980's when he imperiously said to me "Do you know who I am?" with a face like a  smacked arse, as I served him in the Library.

What a jumped up odious little toerag to say that to you.


Be happy - You'll live longer

Mags

31.Jan.13 16:43:22 | Post #45 |

I don't like him because he refused to help my father who was one of his constituents back in the 80s.It was because I wrote a letter to him on behalf of my father. My address was in Shaw and he told me to contact my MP.I would never consider voting Labour whilst he is around.


Age is just a number.

Clutter

31.Jan.13 18:03:34 | Post #46 |

The Chief wrote:
Clutter wrote:
Bungle wrote:

Have you asked him, Rebel? More to the point, have you ever sat in his company and discussed politics and things like that with him?

I've never liked him since the 1980's when he imperiously said to me "Do you know who I am?" with a face like a  smacked arse, as I served him in the Library.

What a jumped up odious little toerag to say that to you.

Well Chief, I dared to ask him for his library card so I could stamp his books out. I mean, I was totally wrong there wasn't I?   yikes Needless to say he didn't have it with him and that's why he had a go at me. In those days that was one of the strict rules, you had to have your card. I wouldn't mind, but there was no need for his rudeness at all. "Have you got your library card please?" "Do you know who I am????!!???" with his group of minders.

Tabbycat

31.Jan.13 18:09:59 | Post #47 |

Clutter wrote:
The Chief wrote:
Clutter wrote:

I've never liked him since the 1980's when he imperiously said to me "Do you know who I am?" with a face like a  smacked arse, as I served him in the Library.

What a jumped up odious little toerag to say that to you.

Well Chief, I dared to ask him for his library card so I could stamp his books out. I mean, I was totally wrong there wasn't I?   yikes Needless to say he didn't have it with him and that's why he had a go at me. In those days that was one of the strict rules, you had to have your card. I wouldn't mind, but there was no need for his rudeness at all. "Have you got your library card please?" "Do you know who I am????!!???" with his group of minders.

yikes


Love your enemies. It makes them really mad.

The Chief

31.Jan.13 18:34:09 | Post #48 |

He sounds a lovely man - not!


Be happy - You'll live longer

LittleRach

31.Jan.13 18:41:56 | Post #49 |

Well, I wouldn't have known him from Adam, so I would have had to reply "No.  But do you know who I am?  I am the librarian, and I need to see your library card."
Or " No, but if you have your library card with you, that should have your name on it, and we can probably work it out from there!"

Except I only think of things like that ten minutes later, so at the time I probably would actually just have said "Errrr, no?  Why? Errrr, what?   Card?  please?  Eh?"  lol


Though we cannot make our sun stand still, yet we will make him run.

Lucky Jim

31.Jan.13 20:37:09 | Post #50 |

I am sure clutter as got him mixed up with a Tory mp maybe Jeffrey dickenson wink

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