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[this post was originally accidentally posted under the name "supergood" because he left his account logged in on Moj's computer. Sorry for any confusion caused]

Another point - Citizen Smith is quite right in that the whole process is a game! If you have sat through various court hearings and witnessed the 'performance' of the different Q.C's and how they 'play' to the jury it is almost theatrical? Yet it is so serious to the defendant and you want to scream and say 'excuse me this is about me'!

People may not believe this but it is very TRUE, I found out after my last appeal that the senior Judge hated my Q.C with a vengeance!! I was actually told later by someone very close to that Judge that I stood no chance because that Judge would not let that Q.C win.  So the question can be asked was the appeal about the case of Susan May - or about the personalities of a particular Judge and a Q.C??

Until all this happened to me I would never have believed what goes on in this system we call 'Justice'! As I said before, No-one Judges the Judges'!

Re: eRoyton Interview #1 - Susan May - THIS FRIDAY

susan I must have left my account logged in on your computer. Click logout at the top then login again. Sorry about the confusion, I will correct the author names asap

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Citizen, thanks for your post towards the end of page 2. I appreciate hearing your views on how this was managed. I admit I presented the original introduction in a pro-susan way. If I was a trained journalist maybe I could have presented things differently but I did add the following statements:

There will be little or no censoring of questions so please don't think that you have to only ask easy questions.

So I was inviting the "fors" and the "againsts" to put their points across in as strong a way as they wanted. After all, Susan is no stranger to fierce questioning or having to listen to her name be blackened. She has somehow learned how to deal with such things.

I have also been involved in a case involving  police malpractise. I was the main prosecution witness in a police brutality trial. I witnessed and video'd an on-duty police officer punching one of my old neighbours in the face 3 times and then kicking him several times. I released the footage to the media who showed it on TV and put stills in all the major news papers and it sparked a debate that lasted 2 or 3 days. When the case went to trial, the officer involved claimed that he was trying to use the palm of his hand to strike the person on his shoulder. This is despite my testimony that they were clearly punches and my video footage which was shown in court showed EXTREMELY clearly that they were punches. He still apparently claimed that he was trying to palm him on the shoulder. His colleagues also took to the stand to say that he was using properly trained techniques to restrain someone.

So it is quite easy for me to believe that there was dishonest police behaviour in Susan's case too because I've seen it first hand for myself. Here's a link to the case I mentioned above.
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Citizen Smith wrote:

A trial is a bit like a game in some respects

Definitely.   I recently studied a bit of philosophy, looking at presenting a valid argument.   As long as we made a good argument, even for nonsense, it was correct.     Eg I could make a valid argument for saying my mother has 2 heads: all women have 2 heads; my mother is a woman; therefore my mother has 2 heads.   We weren't looking for truth, we were looking for sound argument.   So it is with lawyers.   They are not looking for the truth, only presenting a good argument.

Really called Janet

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We weren't looking for truth, we were looking for sound argument.   So it is with lawyers.   They are not looking for the truth, only presenting a good argument.

Very interesting way of looking at court performances.

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Your mentioning of the antagonism between the Chief Justice at your second appeal and your QC brings to my mind a legal precedent dating from 1944, at which a judgement was set aside (I think - I'm not sure) on the grounds that the judge interrupted counsel too often in the course of proceedings.

It's more than 30 years since I did law, but perhaps this animosity that you mentioned could be a ground of appeal?  It would be worth mentioning to Mr. Goodwin when next you see him, Susan, and I hope this helps.

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Another thing that's just occurred to me is that I would have thought the barrister at trial would have had something to say about the fact that only one witness was called and no expert evidence - aren't they supposed to work with the solicitors throughout the preparation of the case and advise the solicitors on what to do in the run up to trial? If so, then I do feel for Susan because that would mean she'd been let down on two counts. When it comes to a murder trial they should leave no stone unturned and that's not happened here.

Nur tote Fische schwimmen mit dem Strom/Nobody's poodle

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PS - Supergood, I think you did a very good job with the interview, it's just a case of you can't help feel a teeny bit scared of voicing any doubts/concerns in the face of so much support. You're obviously succeeding though because as I say, I had thought she was guilty previously whereas there's just too much doubt now, you'd have had to acquit if you'd been on the jury.

PPS - Susan, I know that sounded really cheesy saying you looked like a nice person but you actually do, if you had done it then I'd find it all the more shocking if you get me (that probably sounds mad too default/smile )

Nur tote Fische schwimmen mit dem Strom/Nobody's poodle

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I came to the conlusion after trial that my legal team, including barristers, expected a not guilty themselves and if we go back to the 'game' that is played, then they would have come out of it really well had I been acquited.  I know that sounds bizarre but it is how it happened and it went to badly...and sadly....wrong.  But they too have to hold alot of the blame because they had to know that once convicted their shallow and abysmal defence would lead to great problems for any future appeal because so much defence evidence was not put before the jury! Plus the Court of Appeal is very reluctant to hear critisism of previous legal teams, trial Judges ect. - however a recent successful appeal has hopefully set a precedent on this point.  The case of Andrew Adam's, convicted of a murder in the North East, won his appeal on poor legal representation and trial preparation. Can you imagine though how stupid I feel now, knowing what I do now about the law and legal system, that I did not press for, indeed insist, my original team provided me with experts in all the areas necessary! i.e. a defence fingerprint expert, a defence forensic expert, a defence time of death expert and so on...but I had not done what I was accused of and at that time I fully trusted in British Justice!  I was wrong to do so.

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Moj wrote:

...Can you imagine though how stupid I feel now, knowing what I do now about the law and legal system, that I did not press for, indeed insist, my original team provided me with experts in all the areas necessary! i.e. a defence fingerprint expert, a defence forensic expert, a defence time of death expert and so on...

...But could it be that these 16 years have shown that you've got talents and strengths that you never knew you had?  These things will not only make a difference to your situation, but I'm very sure will help others, too.

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Nigel, not sure about the 'talents' but you do have to find strength to endure all this. My eyes have been well and truly opened though to the pitfalls within the system and of course to the arguments about what goes on within the prison system...and maybe what should happen within those walls!

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Something else as well, if things were bad then they're only going to get worse. What with the recent Carter report and the introduction of fixed fees, among other things it's going to get harder and harder to get quality legal representation. It'll be fine if you're being done for, say, shoplifting but hard luck if you're defending a murder case. A lot of firms will probably go out of business

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Right I'm sat here very bored and going through old bits and bobs default/smile

1 thing I don't get is how EVERYONE can be against susan....

the police (the 3 coppers) - All against you
the judges - don't allow the evidence etc
the system - for getting like that
the forensics - for the thumb print of blood
solicitor - being the wrong one for the job
obviously the jury - ....

I have to say i find it very hard to believe that your innocent, going off everything on here etc I can see why you was convicted, everything does point towards susan and ultimately was arrested for it...

Obviously if I'm wrong i apologize but if you have had numerous appeals rejected and members of the public voted you as guilty then you have got to ask your self why..

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She would be allowed to clear her name and she should be able to put this all behind her and move on with her life.

Life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what your going to get....

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coxxy wrote:

I can see why you was convicted

Can you sum your reasons up, very specifically, for why you think like that? Remember you need to present evidence that "proves beyond reasonable doubt" that susan did it.

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no i cant but i haven't read through all the evidence and seen all the specifics but I'm sorry, everything does point towads susan, and lets be honest how often do people lose their keys?? she just so happened to lose them on the day her auntie was murdered.

who else would want to kill an 89 year old woman? like it says susans sister was a severe alcoholic...

to me if susan did kill her and get away with it she would stand to gain a lot because obviously she cared for her auntie.

Another thing that i think, maybe not technical evidence but apparantly she had been finished off by smothering her with a pillow, some random thiefs wouldn't do that, they would just keep beating her up, and stop when she shut up...

Susan wasn't sure what had been taken... HOW? she was her carer and was there a hell of a lot obviously...

the question about DNA from scratches?? and then all of a sudden her nails go missing.


personally I think the miscarriage of justice is a convicted murderer only doing 13 years....

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Such a strange case this.....    i read or watch one thing and think she's guilty .... then another and think she's not      i don't think we'll every know 100% for sure

In Omnibus Princeps

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Coxxy wrote:

personally I think the miscarriage of justice is a convicted murderer only doing 13 years....

But she would have got out years earlier if she had admitted she was innocent.

Always look for the positive when things are getting you down

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You What? wrote:
Coxxy wrote:

personally I think the miscarriage of justice is a convicted murderer only doing 13 years....

But she would have got out years earlier if she had admitted she was innocent.

and thats even worse...

life should be life!

if she is ever acquited then fair play to her but come on, how often do people use the "the police fttted me up" excuse..

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Coxxy wrote:
You What? wrote:
Coxxy wrote:

personally I think the miscarriage of justice is a convicted murderer only doing 13 years....

But she would have got out years earlier if she had admitted she was innocent.

and thats even worse...

life should be life!

if she is ever acquited then fair play to her but come on, how often do people use the "the police fttted me up" excuse..

In an ideal world I completely agree default/smile

But it's not an ideal world and people are not ideal either. If we were all 100% perfect then we could trust one another to make sensible decisions and trust worthy systems (although we wouldn't need the justice system the would we default/lol). Unfortunately we have character traits like greed, jealousy, pride, selfish ambition, bias etc. So we do the best to live alongside each other as amicably as possible. Sometimes, however, people do us wrong for whatever motive and we lose our trust in them. So I think that's were people's distrust of the authorities comes from. A lack of trust in others as a result of admitting our very own weaknesses. default/smile

Always look for the positive when things are getting you down