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You know what I have tried to not let this thread get to me and read the posts and walk away kind of thing. I think Susan May, OddJob could come on everyday and answer all you questions but it won't change your opinion cause you have made up your mind Darkside so it's like your minds set. I will be open and come forward and say I support Susan all the way and I believe in her innocence, I just don't think it's fair that she is still fighting for justice and I don't think that she or anybody else should have to fight against someone who is determined to stick to what they think they know and doesn't want to know any different. We may as well bang our heads against a brick wall default/smile

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Lisa .. you are a lovely person ....   default/thumb

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Lol I just believe in fighting for something that I know is right default/smile

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Your like super woman

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Lisa i change my views on this case everytime i read somthing about it... one min i think clearly innocent.... i mean just one statement.. "Yes i touched Aunties Body"   and she would have been a free woman   but then other things like the clearly extravagant use of money over such a short period !... would so many people in respectable positions be so corrupt  ? ...   i dunno   it's a tricky one,  and obviously the reason it has ended up where it is today,   i would ask one question though that has not yet been raised and that is the one of compensation,,,, normally under such cases, if it is proved to have been a miscarriage of justice, huge sums are payed out.... would Susan be happy to be proven innocent and then walk away? with her reputation resolved? and leave it at that ?  or would she then go down the compo route and probably end up with a rather large sum of money in the bank ??

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Why shouldn't she be compensated for the injustice done and the years spent in prison? If found innocent she wouldn't be entitled to something surely?

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MB wrote:

would Susan be happy to be proven innocent and then walk away? with her reputation resolved? and leave it at that ?  or would she then go down the compo route and probably end up with a rather large sum of money in the bank ??

The only question that we need to be answering is... would susan have been found guilty beyond reasonable doubt had the jury heard the farcical truth about the blood and if they'd heard the evidence about the car and about the confessions by those close to the real murderer? (etc etc).

Every other question pales into insignificance in my opinion

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dark wrote:

There was going to be a series of interviews with "significant" Roytoners, of which Susan May was the first in this series (and last as far as I can remember)

I rarely follow through with my ideas. They get stuck at stage 1. I refer you to the open top tour of Royton which got stuck at the stage of completing the guestlist. Also, the pool competition which got stuck at the 1st stage where the draw was made but no games played. Then there is the weekly photography competition which stopped after the 1st week.  I could go on. After susan's interview she gave mr contact details of how would be a good person to interview next, it was the park warden from Tandle Hills who she said knows a lot about Royton

dark wrote:

Finally, I feel that this forum was used as a platform to try and gain more public support for the campaign

I have made a forum for the people of Royton. It is part of my job to stimulate debate about local issues or at least to put the facility in place for other members to stimulate debate amongst Roytoners. Susan May's case is a very interesting subject to discuss, she has a very interesting story to tell and her case opens up many interesting lines of debate. That's why I chose to approach her. I was not approached by her or anyone from FOSM. Nobody ever breathed a word about the idea until I approached Susan directly.

dark wrote:

The initial introduction to the interview was highly biased, it was also started a few weeks before a new TV program featuring the case was to be aired

She is on the telly and in the news quite often when there is a new development. I am happy to state that I didn't plan the interview to coincide with anything else. It was just a standalone interview to spark discussion amongst eRoytoners about a local resident who's case I felt deserved a 2nd look. As chief editor, that's my prerogative default/wink If anyone wants to conduct their own interview on here with a police chief I'd be very happy for that to happen.

dark wrote:

All this can be seen again recently by the fact that this topic has now been re-ignited

I haven't checked back but I'm pretty sure this topic had gone very quiet until Coxxy bumped it back up and the debate kicked in again. I'm fairly certain that coxxy isn't a member of FOSM default/wink

dark wrote:

I'm sorry that I don't agree with the opinions of FOSM - that's my decision and my opinion.  Not everyone believes she is innocent and I'm afraid I'm one of those people

You're entitled to that opinion of course but you don't seem to have reached it based on the evidence. You've reached it on an idealistic level where you have placed all of your faith in the system to convict and maintain the conviction of all guilty people. You aren't engaging specifically with the long list of evidence that wasn't presented to the jury. You haven't engaged with the farce of the blood issue, you haven't engaged with the CCRC which identified many areas of malpractise and many other concerns and gave it's opinion that she had a good chance of having her conviction overturned.

It would be really interesting if you would finish this sentence, "I believe susan has been proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt due to the following key pieces of evidence..."

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I think 'Lisa' summed things up well in that no matter what I respond with it will not make a difference to some opinions....and that is fine! I appreciate the postings from those who do know the case inside out. When I make a certain point it has been said, "well you would say that"...but others can make the point because they have studied all the evidence.
I do NOT want to use this forum to gain more support! There are so many issues within my case that it is impossible to raise them all. Much has been said about the financial aspect and altho' I know the usual comment will ensue (you would say that), the whole scenario was totally exaggerated and blown out of proportion. Monies Aunty had also given to my sister were added onto the figure allegedly related to me!  Neither did I ever 'lavish' gifts onto anyone!   
But I am not going to get into 'blame' here because as I have previously said in any M of J case it is the prosecution's aim to discredit the defendant as much as possible.  Also it is well documented that if the wrong person is targeted then malpractice and corrupt processes have to be used in order to fit a case around the individual.  It will be unbelievable to some but what has disgusted me most are the lengths the prosecution will go to post conviction in order to cover things up to maintain the conviction. Those who have worked hard on my behalf can be witness to that statement.
One person mentioned compensation...NO amount of money would ever compensate for this nightmare.  I wish I could draw a line under the past 18 years but I can't and I believe the majority of people who were in my situation would also carry on fighting to show how wrong the conviction is.  It dominates my every thought and my life.

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Lisa wrote:

You know what I have tried to not let this thread get to me and read the posts and walk away kind of thing. I think Susan May, OddJob could come on everyday and answer all you questions but it won't change your opinion cause you have made up your mind Darkside so it's like your minds set. I will be open and come forward and say I support Susan all the way and I believe in her innocence, I just don't think it's fair that she is still fighting for justice and I don't think that she or anybody else should have to fight against someone who is determined to stick to what they think they know and doesn't want to know any different. We may as well bang our heads against a brick wall default/smile

So because I still think she is guilty are you saying that makes me narrow minded, or ignorant perhaps?

Well the very things that you criticise me for can therefore be said of you then.  You have stated above that you support Susan all the way and you believe in her innocence.  You are determined to stick to what you think you know and you don't want to know any different.   Why is it ok for you to think like this but it is wrong or a "waste of time" when I do?

I presume you have come to this opinion after reading all of the available case documents and all of the responses to posts on this forum?  I can tell you now that I came into this original debate open minded, with no prior knowledge of the case and nobody else's personal opinions clouding my judgement.  I have thoroughly read every case note possible (albeit mainly the ones provided in support of the case) and I have read all of the subsequent responses and conspiracy theories.  I have cogitated the information and have reached my decision.   I have read several posts that have initially made me reconsider and I have researched them further. 

However, my opinion is unchanged.  I'm sorry if that doesn't fit in with your opinion but that's free will for you. default/roll

Try not to bang your head too hard default/wink

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dark wrote:

I have cogitated the information and have reached my decision

I'd love for you to type that thought process out. Just  be open and honest. If nothing else, it's an interesting insight into how people can read the same info and land on completely opposite sides of the fence.

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the_dark_side wrote:

Try not to bang your head too hard default/wink


A little humour at the end ,,,,  love it  default/thumb

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SG - I'm not too sure if it's possible to type out a thought process - they just happen default/big_smile

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the_dark_side wrote:

SG - I'm not too sure if it's possible to type out a thought process - they just happen default/big_smile

But if you HAD to... what would it look like in writing default/wink

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I would like to say that the debate on this forum has been sensible, thought provoking and interesting. Most of all though it has been adult and constructive with due respect given by the contributors to each other. It shows that serious and controversial issues can be debated without unnecessary personal animosity. That is a credit to you all!

Thats it, enough seriousness from me as I return to the flippant, giddy, intellectual lightweight you all expect.

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you're right though. We're a credit to ourselves default/lol

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harrystottle wrote:

Thats it, enough seriousness from me as I return to the flippant, giddy, intellectual lightweight you all expect.

That was quite mild and reserved for you Harry!!!

I was expecting a half rude/ sarcastic retort at the end
  and was scrolling down to it  default/big_smile  ever so slowly

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the_dark_side wrote:

All this can be seen again recently by the fact that this topic has now been re-ignited and you (the leader of FOSM) are now back on the forum after a break of 18 months with no posts.

I don't remember that the last time I was on eroyton I was talking about Susan but I only got involved this time because my wife dragged me in when the forum had turned to discussing the bloody fingerprints issue.   That is how I got involved with Susan's case originally - my wife fussing and fretting over the top German forensic scientist report.  At that it was being said that his findings proved the prosecution's case and at one point that did seem to be the case - the third stain MSN 14 did seem to be in the deceased blood.   But as I read the report I observed that the first stain JH1, the only stain with a fingerprint in it had tested negative for blood of any kind.   Surely that was a positive for Susan yet no one on her team was picking up on it.   And so I was hooked.   I was out to find the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, and I promise you, going off Susan's case, this is a very low priority in the British courts.

My perusal of the documentation I have read on Susan's case has been honest and I guess I have presented enough on this forum to cause the staunchest believer in the British justice system to make sure they get the best available counsel if they are ever to appear before it.   So I will leave you with just a couple of final thoughts to cogitate on.

At about midnight on the night of the murder the young man Daniel was in his front upstairs bedroom in the house next to where Susan's aunt lived when he heard the sound of voices outside and went to the window to have a look.   He saw no people but only a red car with its lights out and its engine running parked outside the house where the murder took place.   He went back to listening to his music.   About 15 minutes later he heard the car pull away, its engine making a spluttering sound until it finally kicked in.   The police claimed they never found the car (a claim that we now know to be untrue) or its occupants.   The question I would like the dark side to try to answer is, who were those people, where did they go and what were they doing for 15 minute at around midnight on the night that an old ladies body would be found beaten to death 9 hours later?

The second question I leave you with is, found on the hand of the deceased were some clothing fibres, they did not match any of either Susan's or her aunt's clothes.   Where do you think those clothing fibres came from and to whom do you think they belonged?

Susan's very clever and very expensive QC never thought to inform the jury about these things or suggest that maybe the murder had been committed by and unknown person or persons.

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OK firstly the car outside the house:- 

1.) In your previous arguments you have said this could be a maroon hatchback or possibly an orangey / red Fiesta or possibly a brown / rust coloured car depending on which of the other possible suspects you think it could have been.  How do you know the police have found this exact car when it could have been any of these 3 cars above apparently?

2.) The car was spotted at 1:30am by the neighbour (Paul).  It is not apparent as to how far away he was from the car, how close were the nearest street lights or what he could actually see in the dark early hours of the morning.  You also say that the cars lights were off but in other statements the lights were on - which is it?

3.) The car was spotted at 1:30am however the pathologists report states that the murder occurred between the hours of 9pm and midnight.  By the time the car was spotted the murder had already taken place.

4.) According to the "evidence" you raise about the possibility that the murder was committed by a "known violent burglar" you refer to the story of "M.R" - i.e. Michael Rawlinson.  This guy apparently drove around in his sister's red/orange car.  I will go through your "evidence":

* He was investigated after being suspected of a robbery 2 weeks before Hilda's murder.  Fibres were found at the scene but were not matched to him.  His sister had called the police anonymously to inform them that he had obtained a change of clothes from her the day after this robbery.  He was never charged for this robbery despite his sister dropping him in it.  You then go on to say that 3 days after Hilda's murder the sister sold the car (presumably to try and hide evidence?).  As you can see by the first incident, the sister wasn't afraid of dropping her brother in trouble with the police so why was she now trying to help him by hiding evidence?

* Two days after Hilda's murder Michael was again implicated in another attack where he (and his missus) kicked a middle aged man in the head until they thought that they had killed him.  You then make a big issue about another anonymous call made to the police by one of his friends where has was "agitated and nervous" and he said "he had done it this time".  This anonymous call was also made 2 days after Hilda's murder - i.e. just after Michael had nearly kicked a man to death.  The timing of the events indicates that he was most likely referring to the incident earlier that day where he thought he had kicked a man to do death.  He was later charged and convicted of this crime so presumably he had left plenty of evidence at the scene.

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Oh I also forgot to ask this question:

How did you get hold of all the information regarding Michael Rawlinson?  I.e. all the police reports, call logs, witness statements, previous investigations, etc.

Are the defence allowed to investigate their own suspects including incidents where the "accused" wasn't even charged?  I thought this type of information was strictly confidential and not for public consumption in what were (strictly speaking) unrelated investigations / convictions?

P.S. I am not insinuating any wrong doings here - I am just interested in knowing what the defence has access to.

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